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Speaker 0 00:00:00 You are listening to The Wealth Without Bay Street Podcast, a Canadian guide to Building Dependable Wealth. Join your host, Richard Canfield and Jason Lowe as they unlock the secrets to creating financial peace of mind in an uncertain world. Discover the strategies and mindsets to a financial future that you can bank on How
Speaker 1 00:00:17 To build collaborative global companies while putting your loved ones
Speaker 0 00:00:20 First.
Speaker 1 00:00:21 That's what we would call an epic life. In fact, we didn't even need to call it that because there's a book about it. It's a best seller. And joined with us today as our good friend, Justin Breen, who wrote that book. And he's just kicking, but taking names all in an epic fashion. And we're gonna learn all about some of these incredible chapters that he's used to formulate this book and, and the design of how this book came about. And it's course his second best selling book. And he is a, although not living in Canada, an avid supporter of Canadians. And he's showing that today here on the YouTube channel with his Canada hat. So we appreciate that. Welcome. Thanks for coming back to the show with us today. Justin, it's a pleasure to have you.
Speaker 2 00:00:57 Aw, this is gonna be, this is gonna be a legendary, legendary conversation,
Speaker 1 00:01:02 <laugh>, and it's so good to see you again. We had a chance to chat a little bit. We're the beginning of the show and we've got some great things going on within the Strategic Coach world, the Free Zone Frontier Program, and so many amazing collaborations that are born from that. And, uh, innovators, people who are really passionate about bringing more value to the world and, and creating great technology, great businesses, great opportunities, great services, and, and the list goes on and on and on. And what I love about you, Justin, is that from the day that we met, you have never wavered from your passion for spending time, prioritizing family, and the significance of that. And that was literally communicated in the very first conversation that, that we had. And so this book, Epic Life and, and what you've wanted to encapsulate in that, what inspired you to write the book?
Speaker 2 00:02:07 Well, I appreciate you saying that. And you know, you're in the book because you inspired one of the chapters. I'll just, you know, so this is Jason, Thank you for this. So there you go. That, uh, the more you see who not how, the more you'll see you didn't see that's an idea from you. And then of course, Dan Sullivan, you know, you said that during a strategic coach session, I'm like, Oh, that's a good idea. I'll do, you know, that's a activate, maximize, achieve chapter right there into the book. So most of my days talking to, um, you know, top entrepreneurs in the world like you guys, and so not like business owners or consultants, just top entrepreneurs. And then, you know, maybe once a month I'll get a, a great idea like what you said. And then I'm like, Oh, that's good. My top three strength finders are activator, maximizer, achiever. So I'll activate Max, achieve that into my life. And then one to two times a week, one to two times a week, I talk to folks like us that have let preneur life destroy their family life or prevented them from having family. And I'm like, That's a bad idea. I'm gonna activate, maximize, achieve, not doing that. So the books about how to build collaborative global companies with people like you while putting your loved ones first. So not destroying your family or not, you know, not having a family. That's, that's not a good idea.
Speaker 1 00:03:27 Entrepreneurs are different. They're viewed by the world as being strange, a little bit quirky, <laugh> a little, and, uh, <laugh>. I think that if you, yeah, if you've ever experienced, you know, dealing with or talking to an entrepreneur whose, whose family life has suffered tremendously, but yet, you know, they, they've, they've got this, this thriving business or, or it is. Yes. And you know, we've all heard this and it's the truth. Like myself personally, I know a lot of successful people that are miserable.
Speaker 2 00:04:02 Most the most miserable people I know the most. Yeah. Um, the very most. And cuz they have all this stuff, but they don't have anything. And so I'm a hundred percent, a hundred percent simplifier. And so entrepreneurs most of my day, again, talking to entrepreneurs, not business owners, not consultants, not employees, there's a fundamental difference. So entrepreneurs are the very most damaged people with the best coping skills. So what does that mean? What I haven't met one person like us that hasn't overcome at least one of the following four things. Most are two or three, you know, and the very high levels of strategic coach in, in abundance 360, you're ingenious network. So you'll see a lot of the all fours in there. So here are the four things, bankruptcy or potential bankruptcy, two, depression, three, the highest level of anxiety that you can imagine, and four likely or possible traumatic experiences as a child for young adult.
Speaker 2 00:04:54 So entrepreneurs, you know, regular humans, business owners, whatever, that they use those as excuses. Okay? So top entrepreneur, okay. You know, figure it out. However, certainly not always, but many times they, they use those coping skills to create the businesses and companies you're talking about. And many times at the expense of having it family or just having anything meaningful in their lives. And that's why they're the most miserable, the most miserable cuz they have, everything's based on material as opposed to meaningful measurements in life. And that's just what I've learned is that doesn't make me any happier. It makes me feel worse. So I just spend time with my family
Speaker 1 00:05:31 So good. And having a family that, you know, really understands, really understands the demands, put on an entrepreneur's time and energy and talent, which are three areas that I've been speaking a lot about today. It's, um, for myself, like in my own my own personal situation with, you know, my wife Rebecca and her children, they've always communicated that it's, it's how it's, it's the most important to them is how present I am when, when I'm there with them. A hundred percent. And because the business or businesses never leave you, it, it never escapes you entirely. The it's, and it's not a method of coping, it's a method of prioritizing. Yeah. If, if your brain is prioritizing, always thinking about the business or, or the companies mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you've made that choice. Yes. You have made that choice. And if you, if you're present with your family in those moments of quality time and you're able to prioritize being present with family while you've made that choice and your brain as Dan credit to Dan Sullivan for teaching us this, the human brain is incapable of achieving or doing anything extraordinary.
Speaker 1 00:06:45 Hmm. So you gotta be really careful what you feed your brain, because eventually your brain's gonna buy what you're feeding it. Yes. And so having that quality time, I'll never forget my wife Rebecca, telling me when we were expecting our firstborn, we have four children now. And she said, I need you to know, because I know this is gonna bother you. You're going, you're going to want to be around and be involved and be engaged in everything that, you know, parenting requires. What I need you to do is stay focused and understand that I'll support you 3000%, but when you're with the family, you've gotta be present. That's what I need from you. And it's, it's not about quantity in that moment of our lives, it wasn't about I need you to be present 35 hours a week or whatever the timeframe was. She just said, Whenever you are, I need you to be present.
Speaker 1 00:07:37 And I made that commitment to her and I said, got my word. And it, am I fallible? Have I made mistakes? Have I tripped up? Have I, Of course. Like of course I have. But it just, that's what, those are the times that I found that made our family even stronger because we were able to work through it and I was able to be vulnerable enough to say, I'm not really present right now. I've got something on my mind and I should, I should be prioritizing my time with my family. And that's on me. I'm accountable for that. Well, the moment you realize it, you can change it. And all progress begins with telling the truth.
Speaker 3 00:08:13 The other thing is that not only can you change it, you can get by having an accountability mechanism, by having the discussion, you can get help with changing it. It's, it's, it's everyone's looking place. They all want the same thing. And then so you have that, that the discussion that leads to potentially something even much, much better. And you know, Justin, you talked about these four things, those four items that you identified, that is, you know, that's kind of one of your superpowers is seeing and meeting and talking to enough people that you're able to, you know, recognize and develop Okay. Certain trends because you're looking, Okay, how can I get, how can I, I beeline and, and, and I guess to some degree shortcut the success path that I'm building in my own life so I can have more epic life. Yes. And really my personal takeaway from, from reading the book, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but ultimately you've got 30 chapters in here and these are 30 chapters on how to shortcut your life in such a way that you can cut through a lot of the crap that's out there and you can get straight down to the core of what, what creating an epic life and how you can go about creating an epic life for you.
Speaker 3 00:09:19 Now, someone might read that and they might be happy with any one of those chapters, but they might zone in on one. It's like, you know what, this is the area that I, this is what I really needed right now. This is the one that's gonna help me level up to the next area of my life to become that much more epic.
Speaker 2 00:09:34 Well, thank you, thank you for saying all that. My wife, who's a pediatrician taught me how to say thank you. So thank you. I'm giving her credit for that. But the, so there's a couple, there's a lot from what you both said, Jason, I really appreciate all that background. I have found, again, I'm a hundred percent simplifier into patterns. I have found that people visionary w dos like us usually, not always, usually, but not always. Mary stabilizing humans usually. Yeah. And it does happen. Strategic coach is an, an exception. It's an example of an exception where a very high quick start married a very high quick start. And one of two things happens when that happens. From what I've seen, one, something like Strategic Coach created great, amazing, thank God for that every day. Thank God for that. More often than not complete dumpster, fire, <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:10:24 Cause there's no stability, no stability, multiple divorces, complete disaster. And so if you think of the opposite personality is me, it would be my wife who's a pediatrician, so she's warmth, empathy rules, lists, calendar items, what I don't even know what any of that stuff is. And uh, and I'm endlessly grateful for that. Meaning the first thing I do every single day, every day is a grateful journal to her, what I'm grateful for, for her the previous 24 hours. Cuz without her bad situation and that grounding effect, which, which your wife did before First child. My wife does that for me every day, which I'm endlessly grateful for. Like, like just an example, I'm only mentioning this cuz it's funny, but like, so my book just hit Wall Street Journal and USA Today bestseller and was, and was number one on Amazon Kindle overall. Okay.
Speaker 2 00:11:16 That's great. Right. And Peter DMAs writes for, That's great. So like, while that was all happening, my, my wife comes up and she's like, You, you gotta go outside, go outside, go outside. There's a major prop. I go, What, what is going on? And she's like, the dog, one of our dogs, we have two dogs. He, she's eating a, she's eating a dead squirrel <laugh>. I'm like, Okay, good. Great. So that for her, that's a big deal. Like really, really, it was panicking. So I got out there and got the, you know, got the dog away from the dead swirl. But like, I'm so grateful for that. And then our, then our kids are, they're both nine quick starts. 2, 2, 9, 6 and a 3, 2, 9, 7. They're nine and eight year old, both full maniac entrepreneurs. And, uh, so I'm just so grateful for my wife, for my wife. And then, you know, Richard, I, I think, you know, one of the chapters in the book is the process is the shortcut. So literally all the book is just shortcut, shortcut, shortcut, shortcut, shortcut, shortcut, shortcut, short. And it's 119 pages really, really, you know, to shortcut the shortcut of shortcuts. If you read chapter one and two chapters one and two, then you'll really need to know all you need to know. I mean, certainly about me and then top entrepreneurs on planet for sure.
Speaker 1 00:12:28 That is so awesome. And, and the auto, the audio version is out. So I saw your post on that today. So people,
Speaker 2 00:12:35 You wanna hear something funny Yeah. Sing. But you literally just did a podcast with the person who did the audio for the book.
Speaker 1 00:12:41 I know. That's the post that I
Speaker 2 00:12:42 Saw. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:12:44 That's awesome. And so for people who, you know, love to, to learn and, and to consume content, um, through audio books, you've got an opportunity now for epic life and you need to get your hands on this book, whether it's the hard copy or the audio version, Get your hands on it as promptly as you're able. Because the, the one thing too, Justin, that, and I know that it's not the, the premise or the, or the topic of the book, it's just the value in connection, right? When if you're recognizing where someone can be, can be better, or where someone may be able to pair up with someone and they can both be better. Like you, you've got that amazing ability to, and you don't waste any time with it either. The moment that you spot a good connection, like you are initiating that immediately, like without hesitation. And that is value in and of itself because not many people are as good at it as the likes of you, as the likes of Joe Polish people who where, where that's really part of their unique ability.
Speaker 2 00:13:55 Joe amazes me. Thanks one. Thanks for saying that too. Joe amazes me because he, he does it in a, a feeling capacity, meaning his print is his unconscious motivators. He's a four two. So he's a, that's a feeler. Feeler. And then you and I are, you're eight three, right? You're an eight three. Richard, have you ever done your print? Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:14:14 I'm, I think I'm eight two.
Speaker 2 00:14:15 Okay. So that's interesting. You're a doer, thinker. And then Jason and I are uh, execute, execute, execute. Don't over feel it, overthink it. We just execute. Most of the folks in free zone are eight threes, by the way. Geez. That's according to Shannon Waller, who's, who's in in Strategic Coach. So, which makes sense. Like you just don't over feel it or overthink it. You just execute and Right. So that makes sense. The, the thing with Audible, I was just talking to a very high level entrepreneur who does assessments, a lot of assessments. And we were talking about, I had posted this pattern that I had seen with top entrepreneurs, four things I had seen from them besides the overcoming the four things. But the four things were adhd, which is not a disorder, it's sign a Genius, it's just mislabeled by, you know, CU or whatever that is.
Speaker 2 00:15:04 Minor Asperger's, which my wife is a pediatrician is unofficially officially diagnosed me with that, which I would, I would probably agree with that. Three is a dyslexia. Dyslexia. And then four is a tremendously high iq. So not necessarily great in school, but like off the charts intelligence. And so I was talking to her about the dyslexia aspect and she's like, and she has the data, 30% of true visionary high level entrepreneurs. She said 30% have dyslexia, which I was very, I mean I thought it would be a big number, but not 30%. That is a really high number.
Speaker 1 00:15:40 It is.
Speaker 2 00:15:41 I mean that's a, that's a, and then, and then the other one, which was interesting. So that's why audible's so great, You know, they literally can't read. So, and then the other thing she said, entrepreneurs five times more likely to suffer from depression than an average human five times. Yeah. That didn't surprise me.
Speaker 1 00:15:59 Not at all. Yeah. And, and when you find yourself going there, if, if you don't have a network, If you don't have a network Yep. Then boy, you're in trouble. And, and I, I share one of the things that I'm, that I'm continually working on and and have been working on much closer these past two years, thank goodness is like downtime is very dangerous for me. Me.
Speaker 2 00:16:27 Oh man, me too, man.
Speaker 1 00:16:29 Incredibly dangerous. Right?
Speaker 2 00:16:31 And yet you took a sabbatical.
Speaker 1 00:16:33 Yeah, but when I took the sabbatical, it wasn't to have downtime, it was to replace my batteries and, and focus my, my time, talent and energy in other areas of my life.
Speaker 1 00:16:46 Interesting. And, and so it, if you think of, and what I mean by that, when I say downtime is very dangerous for me. Like if, if I have absolutely nothing to do, which would be near impossible, but if I'm intentional about saying, Listen, I've got nothing to do, and that goes on for a day, two days, three days, et cetera. Oh God, then it's going to be wa binge watching Netflix, It's gonna be, hey, like those potato chips are right within arm's lengths, it's gonna be let's crack open the suds and Yep. You know, have way too many drinks and mm-hmm. <affirmative> like it, it's, that's not good. That's dangerous for me. Yep. And whereas, you know, keeping myself occupied and doing things that fascinate me and bring me energy Yes. Keep, keep me feeling fulfilled. And cuz that going back to the downtime being dangerous, tho those things are
Speaker 3 00:17:48 All mile markers as you're headed toward depression, right? Yep. And, and that's not where I want to be. I nobody wants to be there, but it's, you know, you could just <laugh> you could see it and you're like, Oh boy, okay, geez, I gotta, I gotta get myself occupied here because Yep. I've just crossed over another mile marker on my way toward feeling depressed. And who wants to feel that way?
Speaker 2 00:18:16 No,
Speaker 3 00:18:16 Nobody. You mentioned, you mentioned the network day and that's is where it's really important. And, and you know, we were talking about Strategic Coach, we mentioned Strategic Coach pretty frequently on the podcast, and yeah, of course that's a, that's a huge connection about this. That's how our relationship began with Three Strategic Coach. But the, the reality of that environment is it's, you're creating an, you're, you're putting yourself in an environment of success because you're, you're designing your life around spending one day every quarter of the year at minimum, where you're surrounded by top level people who are thinking about abundance, thinking about growth. Yeah. Thinking about how they can be better, make things better, help more people, make the world a better place, improve lives and on and on and on. Employ more people, create more jobs. And there's just like this laundry list of things that everyone in that room is trying to do.
Speaker 3 00:19:04 They're all there to be better, make better, become better, raise up, lift the world around them. And so when you, you, you focus your energy and your effort being in an environment like that, you, you, you, it's hard to have those, you know, you talk about, you know, five times more likely to be depressed or whatever, those types of things that could take a person down that road is, is a lot to do with the people that's around them. So surround yourself with the right kind of people. And if you, you don't have that in your life now, you gotta change how you put yourself in a position to be surrounded by the right kind of people. For sure. That's totally within your control. And, and another thing that helps you do that, by the way, isn't isn't just being in the physical environment. It's also listening to good podcasts, reading good books. These are all things that help bring you that space. You're gonna get inspired by an idea, a place, a person, a course, a coach, where it is that's gonna help take you one step down a positive track of life.
Speaker 2 00:20:01 There's a, a couple things, um, excellent, excellent content there for both of you. My wife and I, her name's Sarah. We visited Mark Fujiwara partner for second company and his wife Amy, they live in San Francisco. So we just, that was the second time Mark and I have ever met in person more than New Year. And so we were staying just north of San Francisco and so we took a ferry into San Francisco cuz you don't wanna drive that driving there is not fun. So the ferry takes you right past Alcatraz. And when we were going home north of San Francisco past Alcatraz, it was, it was dusk. We were the only ones on the water. And I took a photo of Alcatraz, which was kind of lit up, but there was no one on there. And that's the type of loneliness, feeling entrepreneur world is if you're not surrounded by the right people.
Speaker 2 00:20:56 I was, again, I was, I was, I took that picture. I'm like, Oh man, this is entrepreneurial life. If you're in the wrong <laugh> in the wrong situation because again, people like us are usually aliens within our own family, community, verticals only people that understand us are pop entrepreneurs on the planet. Okay. So very true. You don't, you don't wanna be the Alcatraz, uh, island photo. That's, that's for sure. Cuz it's a lonely world. And I spent most of my life in that world cuz nobody understood what I was talking about. And then, you know, became an entrepreneur on, and even the first couple years was talking to business owners, they didn't understand what I was talking about. And then finally joined right rooms and then like, oh, I can actually have a real conversation like this, like most of my days having conversations like this, whether it's recorded or not, this one's recorded, but, okay, so then there's that and then again simplifier into patterns, right? So it's the same formula. So I just keep making bigger investments into smaller rooms, but the people in those rooms are making bigger impacts. So bigger investments, right? Bigger checks would be in smaller rooms, things like free zone abundances, 360 summit. People in those rooms are making bigger impact, true entrepreneurs like you guys,
Speaker 2 00:22:03 That allows me to spend biggest investment in smallest room, which is my family where I can make the most impact. Same formula, but again, you just want to be a litmus test for yourself, for the people you serve. So,
Speaker 1 00:22:16 Love that.
Speaker 2 00:22:17 Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:22:17 Yeah. And it's so true within the family, you know, you have, you have family that you know, especially if you haven't seen them for a while. You know, I had, I had some family come visit from California <laugh> and, and you know, my, my my cousin being one of them. And, and she, she said, What exactly is it that you do again? Like what <laugh>, like what is, what is being a business owner again? Like what, like what a nurse is that and you know, and it's like, you just think to yourself, you know, cuz I haven't seen her in years and, you know, we grew up,
Speaker 2 00:22:50 What's your answer to that? What did you say?
Speaker 1 00:22:53 I just said, you know, I I I can appreciate that you probably think like, I'm a little strange now cuz we haven't seen each other for a long time and I really just have complete and total control over my time and what I do and who I spend it with and answer. We, we have, you know, we have a number of different companies in our, in our group of, of businesses and so we do, we do a variety of things, but it kinda led into a conversation of Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, that's interesting. And but
Speaker 2 00:23:18 It's not nothing else. Nothing like
Speaker 1 00:23:20 <laugh>. Yeah. And, and my family's wonder, I love my family,
Speaker 2 00:23:23 Right? It's just
Speaker 1 00:23:24 A different
Speaker 2 00:23:24 Thinking,
Speaker 1 00:23:25 But it's, yeah, it's a completely different way to, completely different way of thinking. And then when I get around folks in the coach community, the genius network community, I, I just go, Oh, okay, I'm among my people now. I'm among my peeps. You know?
Speaker 2 00:23:41 Yeah. You're not on your Alcatraz island.
Speaker 1 00:23:43 Exactly. Well
Speaker 2 00:23:45 The thing is that, uh, again, I'm only saying this because, so people understand, so like, people like you and all these, the, the entrepreneurial communities, they're like, ah, this book, it's awesome. So thankful. I'm so glad you wrote it cuz like, this is a message I really think people like us actually want, I think they do wanna put their loved ones first. They just dunno how to do it. Many. I think they really do want that. They're just so damaged. They can't, they don't. So, and I'm hoping, you know, that that's what strongly and then in within my neighborhood, great community. It's a great community, good hardworking people, really nice people. One person say congratulations on the book one <laugh>
Speaker 1 00:24:28 Well
Speaker 2 00:24:28 The top selling books in the United States <laugh> one person. And it's just a different, it's just a, you know, it just, um, they just don't understand and it's okay. It's okay. And then now here's the other interesting thing is that, you know, the greatest part of this life by far is that our kids get to see this world exists. Most people don't even know this world exists. And then our kids know my sons are nine and eight, both nine quick starts, full competing maniacs in a good way. And so I'm just very grateful for, for that, that they can see this exist. It does get them into trouble sometimes because they wanna win. They wanna, you know, they wanna collaborate. They kinda get bored with school. So I'm like, Oh, you know, school's fine do that. But then here's how the real world and what I mean real world, how our world works and, and take, take the positives from both of those while understanding sometimes you're gonna get into trouble in the <laugh> in the first
Speaker 1 00:25:33 World
Speaker 2 00:25:33 Cause it's how we are. But that's a blessing. Getting into trouble now a little bit as opposed to like waiting your whole life. Like, what's wrong with me? What is wrong with me? Why don't I fit in? So knowing that there is that other world out there.
Speaker 1 00:25:46 Absolutely. And, you know, going to, going back to spending quality time with family, it's, it's, it's knowing how, Right. Because this is, this is one area where who not how doesn't apply mm-hmm. <affirmative> in the sense that if, if I have responsibilities is
Speaker 2 00:26:04 So you're the who. No, no, you exactly. It's you.
Speaker 1 00:26:07 And so if, if I'm unsure about the how that's
Speaker 2 00:26:12 Point. That's a good point. Cuz they don't know how to, when I say they, it's, they don't know how to be that person. Right.
Speaker 1 00:26:19 And so I, I share expressed completely open and vulnerable with my children when, you know, as, as soon as my kids were conceptual enough to really understand. Yeah. Like, I'll never forget having conversations that that kind of broke the ice with my kids to say, I don't know how to be a good dad.
Speaker 2 00:26:41 I, I, the same thing I literally said, I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing. I
Speaker 1 00:26:46 Don't know how. And it, and it's, it's, it's not that because my, my own father who's, you know, he passed away in my early twenties. He, he didn't know how either and he was always away from the home and, and a work ahol, I suffer from workaholism. It's just a publicly accepted form of addiction. And, you know, I'm, I I'm working on it and getting coached on it. But I sat down with my kids and I said, I just don't know how to be a good father. And you know, Rebecca shares with me all the time like, you're a great dad. Like you're doing a great job. But I have nothing to, to to, to compare it to in the sense of, oh yeah, you know, this is how my dad would've handled this situation or okay. I, I look to other people who I believe are really great fathers based on what my, my preconceived notion and is of what I would've wanted fr from, from my dad. And so I try to bring that to my kids and like, I screw it up. Like sometimes
Speaker 2 00:27:47 My people like us very stabilizing humans, usually. Thank God the, Okay, so <laugh> this is where like the same person, So my father was 61 when I was born an amazing dad. Like the great, like most, I mean I think a lot of sons have great relationships with their dad. Mine it was, mine was, it was different because he was shot down multiple times in combat World War ii Hero got back in the plane, right? And, you know, that's the first chapter of the book, The Free Rice to the top. But like, but you know, his, his best friend, which also talk about his best friend was killed in a famous mob hit. I mean, so that was when I was five. So that's one of my first memories saying, Hey, our, our friend's been shot, we need to hide you. Cuz my dad thought he was gonna be, you know, might have been next on the list. And so, so my dad, he had survived so much in his life, I got him with all that wisdom and I essentially retired. And so he was around all the time. It was the opposite of, he was not, and I'll use that, but he was home all the time. He basically raised us while my mom was ultimate hustler in a good way. She was out. My mom was 27 when I was born. My dad was sixty one, thirty four, thirty four
Speaker 2 00:29:04 Years. And so that said, my dad had no idea what he was doing, be one cuz he was 61 when I was born. You know, he was like a child in a, in a good way, like a little kid. Yeah. And that's how I, like, I have no, I tell, this is what I tell my kids. I go, misdemeanor, okay, felony bad <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:29:23 So yeah, <laugh>,
Speaker 2 00:29:25 My wife's like, you can't do that. Like, so, but you know, you do, you do the best you can. And my sons and I have the greatest time. I just took 'em around the Midwest of the United States. Five days, five games, five baseball games, and five days around the Midwest. It was just us. We were watching family guys stay in a, which is completely inappropriate for children. You know, stayed out 1130, midnight every single night, ate horrible food for <laugh> you with, I think you with the chips. That was us with the
Speaker 1 00:29:57 Chip. Oh God.
Speaker 2 00:29:59 But it was the greatest time. And that's how I was raised. I mean, and so then my wife's like, you know, get 'em to school, make sure they do their homework, make sure they, you put their soccer bags in the car. Cuz otherwise, I mean, people ask like, I wonder if they ask you this? Actually, I bet you they, I bet they do. Like what really concerns you? What really worries you about your company? And I'm, and and maybe it is different for you, but I go, nothing concerns me with my company. And they're like, well what actually scares you? I go, anything happening to my wife if anything happened to my
Speaker 1 00:30:30 Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 00:30:31 So that's what, that's the only thing that truly scares me.
Speaker 1 00:30:34 Yeah. I think I could probably, I could probably last 40, 42, no, 40 seconds without,
Speaker 2 00:30:43 I was gonna say 42 schnitz. But you don't imagine that.
Speaker 1 00:30:48 Oh my goodness. And so, gosh, yeah, it's very similar. Like I I, I've always said with my daughter, I have three daughters and boy. And so with my daughters, I've always told them like, I'm never going to refer to you as my princesses, my <laugh>, all that you're my warriors.
Speaker 2 00:31:06 Right?
Speaker 1 00:31:06 Like, I am gonna teach you how to be strong, independent women who don't take shit from anybody. Right. And that's how they're kind of growing up in their time with me. And you know, hey, some boy pushed me down in the school playground today and my wife would be, Oh, okay, well let's sit down, let's have a conversation. Oh, what happened? And I'm like, Did you scissor kick him in the back of the head <laugh> like
Speaker 2 00:31:31 Take a hockey skate and stab. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:31:34 Don't take any shit from anybody. And I'm not, you know, I'm not encouraging violence. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you, you, you've gotta stand up for yourself and, and if you get pushed down, you better get yourself back up because nobody's gonna lift you up unless, like, have you ever tried to rescue someone who doesn't wanna participate in the process?
Speaker 2 00:31:55 No.
Speaker 1 00:31:55 Right. So you've gotta, you, you've gotta look there, there's, you're gonna be exposed to many different things in your life where you're, you're gonna have to build resilience and strength. And so that's how I've kind of always approached things with my daughters and with my son it's very difficult because he's so close to his mom. Understandably so. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and the conversations that him and I have are very, very different than the conversations I have with my daughters. He's often like six foot seven. He is, yeah. Like he <laugh> he's a giant. He'd be, he'd be protecting me on the school playground and he's 14, like, it, it's just a mix.
Speaker 2 00:32:33 Next foot, seven and four a Dion. Oo, just give him some skates. He'll be seven feet or zano
Speaker 1 00:32:38 Char, oh God, he's been playing hockey since he was a fetus. Like he, he throws his body around now and he gets ejected from hockey games. And so, and he gets i'd at the rink, like people are like, hey, who you don't play for theme. Like you should be in a men's league. And, but for myself, I try to approach things a little bit different with him, like through his hockey. You know, I've never given him feedback on his, on his game. And I've always told him since inception, if you ever want feedback, ask for it. Otherwise I'm not going to volunteer it. And the only thing I would ever ask you to do, cuz he just ask for advice, like what advice would you give me? And I said, well the only thing I'm ever gonna say to you is that whenever you go to the rink, just try to focus on working on getting better at one thing.
Speaker 1 00:33:21 Just pick one thing. That's the only advice I can give you. And if you want feedback on your game, ask for it. Otherwise I'm never gonna provide it. And so I want him to realize that he's going to be, you know, learning how to be a, a teammate and being coachable and, and working through things without having to worry about what his dad thinks. It's not about what I think, what I think about how you're playing doesn't mean shit. Nope. It's just an insight. It's just an observation. How do you feel about your game and if your coach is telling you something that you need to go work on, how soon do you want to get after it? Yeah. Action. And if you have you ever you wanna go in the gym and work out together, I'd be more than happy to do that with you. Right. But I don't want you to be worried about what I think. I just wanna support you. I just want, I just wanna be your dad. I just wanna be your dad man. I just wanna, I wanna hug you and support you. Like that's all I wanna do. Cuz I don't know how to be a good dad.
Speaker 3 00:34:22 Well, and Justin, you know, Justin's asking if you've ever done Colby and it's something that you just did again for your kids recently to, to double up and, and for, for the folks listeners, we've talked about Colby on the show before. It's a, it's a, it's the Colby index that helps you understand your natural way of doing things. So there is a way to learn about that for your kids at an earlier age. It's something I I'm looking forward to doing for my kids. I think they're at an age where I can, I can actually quit now. Old gold. Yeah. My son will be seven in, in December, so I'm gonna do it. And uh, you know, and, and you know, I've got, our kids are in karate, which they just really started that up again. So I'm super pumped because my daughter's like, they're learning like take down moves.
Speaker 3 00:34:56 Like they took my wife down the other day in the like, and like she couldn't get up. It was fantastic to watch. So, so, so they're, they're, they're learning some really good stuff that way. And it's gonna, those are gonna be skills. They're also learning a little bit about some discipline and like, and like how to, how to work with other people in a constructive environment where you're, you're learning how to potentially hurt someone or defend yourself, but you're doing it in a way where you're not actively, you know, beating the crap outta somebody. Yeah. But they're actually signed up for their first like tournament even though they, they, they barely just started going back to, to this karate type school. And so they're gonna start to learn about what is a competition like that. Like, and they haven't really experienced those things at their age this degree yet.
Speaker 3 00:35:32 So, you know, it's gonna be exciting to learn what kind of things come out of that and the experience. And, and it's not about necessarily, you know, yeah you wanna strive to win in your competition, but even if you don't win, you still win. Cuz what did you learn? And so that's the stuff that we're working on a lot right now is what did you, what are you learn? What are you learning in that environment when you go to that competition? What did you learn? What did the other guy do? What did you do? What, what, what might you do differently? What could you do better? What's another, you know, what would help you next, the next competition? More training. Like these kind of questions that I'm excited to be able to, to ask. And you know, it's, it's, it's fun. It's fun to be a part of, you know, now that my kids are at an age where they're getting more involved in sport and like dance and that sort of thing.
Speaker 3 00:36:12 My daughter's in like four different kinds of dance. Yeah. And to see what, what they're learning on a regular basis, cuz they now they're getting exposed to other people teaching them other than just what they're getting from the house. And of course the last two years because of the, uh, the old, you know, glorious, the, the covid their activity that that put a damper on a lot of people on their ability to have their kids engage with other types of activities outside of the home. Yeah. It, you know, but in the same respect it also created a huge opportunity for families to get much closer together than maybe they've ever had, you know, up to that point in time. So with everything that, you know, with every, you know, negative, there's a positive, we just gotta figure out where it is and choose to activate towards it.
Speaker 2 00:36:51 The so much, so much good stuff, actionable tips, just talk to me is meaningless without, you know, doing something about it. So my sons are nine and eight. They've done Colby the dynamite. D y N A m y N D is Colby for kids. And then they've also done strength explorers, which is strength finders for kids. And then Jake, my nine year old is competing one achieving two, confidence three and Chase the eight year old who's achieving one, competing two relating. So there's full <laugh>, full competition winning. And then there got, I mean Jake is run, he's won a run. He just did a 2112 5k, which is, that's world class time for, that's world class time for a 10 year old. He's nine and he finished fourth out of fourth overall out of 196 runners <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:37:45 Oh my God. If you could run, if you can run 5K under 25 minutes, uh, you're in good shape.
Speaker 2 00:37:52 We, um, so this is the be again, best part of preneur life is spending time with family. I mean, before Covid I spent more time with my children than any dad I've ever met. I just spend more time with them. Cuz I'm a dad who happens to be an entrepreneur, not an entrepreneur, happens to be a dad. There's a fundamental difference. So we just did the 5K as a family. That's, that's, that's our family activities besides travel, soccer, travel baseball, travel, not travel, fly football, park district flag football. That's a lot of fun too. But so Jake Chase and I all won our age groups in the 5k. I did 2239.
Speaker 1 00:38:30 That's that's awesome.
Speaker 2 00:38:31 Well, for 45, that's not bad. I can,
Speaker 1 00:38:33 That is awesome.
Speaker 2 00:38:35 Jake was 2112, his PR is 2110, which is, that's insane. I mean that's not normal human. And then little guy Chase, he did 25 37, which was his pr I was, I was really proud of him cuz he has very tiny little legs and he is powering, he's a really good soccer player. But to run that type of distance in 25, 30, 30, 37, 39 for an eight year old, that was really good. He just turned eight. Yeah. So really proud of him. And so there's a phone of us all holding our first place medal. I'm like, Oh man, this,
Speaker 1 00:39:07 I saw that. Yeah. That's so cool.
Speaker 2 00:39:09 Yeah. So it's, and then, you know, when they don't win cause they don't win everything, it's always like, what did you, what, how can you be better? And then just as importantly, if it's not an individual sport, how can you help the team get better? I think. And that's what you two are. So you guys are much better at that than I am. You're much better.
Speaker 1 00:39:30 Yeah. I'm, I am The latter part of what you just said is so where, where, where it all begins. Like the, the contributions that you make that make your teammates better talk, talk about fulfillment, My God. And that, that would be, and I, I've expressed this, you know, I've, I've shared this with, with my teammates. Like if, if the worst team in the nhl the worst team,
Speaker 2 00:39:58 Let's say they're the Black Hawks, let's just say
Speaker 1 00:40:00 That. Let's just use the Chicago Black Hawks
Speaker 2 00:40:03 Is accurate,
Speaker 1 00:40:04 <laugh>. And, and they said, you know what, we want to try something that has never been done before and we want to create a big stir in the hockey world and we're gonna call this guy Jason Lowe, who hasn't spent four seconds in the NHL and we're gonna give him a contract. And he's only asked to be paid a dollar and he's gonna help turn this, this, this team around. And he's got three years to do it. That would be the only opportunity that would ever pull me away from what I do day in and day out. I, I wouldn't even hesitate to do it for nothing. And, and that, that would be the only dream opportunity that would pull me away from what I'm doing now.
Speaker 2 00:40:56 You know,
Speaker 1 00:40:56 And I pro and I can promise you, and I can absolutely promise you, I can stamp a guarantee on it if you want me to. Yes. That the Black hawks are gonna be a much, much better, much better team than, than what I found when I, when I, when I get there and, and I leave
Speaker 2 00:41:18 It. I've seen them play the last couple of years and the, uh,
Speaker 1 00:41:21 Because here's the deal, you know, you know who Damon John is.
Speaker 2 00:41:25 Oh yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 00:41:25 Okay. So Damon John said, Show me someone who's achieved a high degree of success in one business. One, and I'll show you someone who's lucky. Show me someone who's achieved a high degree of success in two businesses. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I'll show you someone who's pretty good. Show me someone who's achieved a high degree of success in three or more companies. And I'll show, show you someone who's a winner and who's got a proven process. You
Speaker 2 00:41:52 Have the process.
Speaker 1 00:41:54 And when you're dealing with people, whether they're skating on a sheet of ice, whether they're dunking a basketball, or whether they're building a business, or whether they're skipping the rope or swimming the laps, whatever, whatever that may be. If, if you really, truly love your players and you've got a process of developing people, the game, the game of hockey is not really that difficult in, in, in the sense of you can talk about systems and game different techniques of how you, you know, play each position and all of that. But I, you can put the most skilled players on the ice together. If they don't know how to become a team, they're not going to do anything remarkable.
Speaker 2 00:42:45 I think of what you said with is, you know, John Cooper, who's arguably the best coach in the NHL right now.
Speaker 1 00:42:51 I love that guy.
Speaker 2 00:42:52 Yeah. He never played, I mean he played hockey, but you know, he played club hockey in college. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:42:59 And he spent a little bit time, a little bit of time down in, in the minors and then gets this opportunity and everybody was like, Who is this guy? And look at what he's been able to achieve.
Speaker 2 00:43:09 There's, there's,
Speaker 1 00:43:10 He coaches the Tampa Bay Lightning.
Speaker 2 00:43:12 Yeah. Oh, right. Darn. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Richard, you don't know that. John Cooper, come on, You're, you're Canadian.
Speaker 1 00:43:19 If it, if it's not an others game, I'm probably not watching. Wait.
Speaker 2 00:43:21 Whoa, whoa. Wait, hold on, hold on. <laugh> hold. Are you serious? You're, he's, you're Canadian <laugh> and he's Western can, he's from Western Canada.
Speaker 1 00:43:31 And so if there's any, any Gs out there, there's Canadians from Western Canada with every, with every hockey club. So
Speaker 2 00:43:37 <laugh>. Oh, okay. Alright. I'm my eighth fact finder's going crazy. He's from, he's from Prince George BC's up like the biggest city in northern British. Okay. So anyway, but man, I'm gonna be, I'm like, I'm in shock right now. Okay. At least I'm gonna focus, I'm gonna focus now. So John Cooper, when they lost to the Black Hawks in the 2015, this is why I think he's such a great coach, Okay? Cause my brain remembers things like this. And then, you know, here's the answer. He, they lost to the Blackhawks in the Stanley Cup finals in 2015. And they interviewed him, you know, they always interviewed the losing coach in that weird, like, uncomfortable interview. And he opened the interview. I'm not looking this up, I just remember he goes, I never pictured myself doing this interview. I never pictured myself like I, he never even thought of it.
Speaker 2 00:44:24 And his mindset is off the charts, off the charts. So that's one. Two, he solved the problem, meaning he knew the process. He, every level he was at win, win, win, win, win. So each one of the clubs that he was at, you can, you can call that a business. Yep. He wanted, in the minor league business, he wanted a junior hockey business. He won in the higher level minor league high, you know. Yep. He just win win, win win, win, win. So you won with one business, same process, win a second business, one with third process win. So there's no reason to believe you. And again, there's multiple times where coaches Tom tibial, he, you know, he's one of the best coaches, not the best in the nba. He didn't play in the nba. I mean, so it's like Brad Stevens, you know, was with the Boston Celtics, he was an K basketball player. He just, it win win at Butler. Win as a coach in Boston, win as an executive in, So it's the same thing. It's the same thing.
Speaker 1 00:45:23 Absolutely. And boy, to be able to bring someone on and pay them nothing, even if you just had to sign a contract for a dollar.
Speaker 2 00:45:33 I know
Speaker 1 00:45:34 Me in Coach, there's,
Speaker 2 00:45:35 There's a guy in in Eastern Canada, he does a lot of the training. He's an eo Good, good EO connection. He does it like a lot of the training for the top NHL players. I can introduce you to him if you, if you want. So maybe <laugh>,
Speaker 1 00:45:50 Who knows that, who knows where that can lead to.
Speaker 2 00:45:52 You want me to introduce you? I'll
Speaker 1 00:45:54 Yeah, of course. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:45:55 And I, I think it's funny that you're asking if, uh, Jason wants an introduction because typically the way that, you know, my LinkedIn inbox fills up is because I got a, I get a joint private message from Justin saying, Hey Richard, you gotta meet Richard, Jason, you gotta meet so and so. In fact, earlier today you're recording a podcast episode with, uh, Gene who has the lily pad AI tech. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fun. We had a fun chat with him. And that's a connection that we received from you. And, uh, I think next week we're actually doing a recording with another person that you introduced to us. So, you know, we, we we're, we're helping, we're getting opportunities to discuss crazy and amazing entrepreneurial ideas and fundamentals. And at the end of the day, all of this conversation, and I think ultimately all of your, your book comes down to getting a laser beam set on your mindset and, and understanding some, you know, some key things that you can be running through.
Speaker 3 00:46:45 And you can reflect back on that if your mindset starts to shift or it goes off track, boom. You could read this title of this chapter in epic life and you're gonna get yourself back on the track. You know, you're gonna take this tip trick idea that Justin learned from one of his business partners or some entrepreneur that he met. And you're gonna be able to apply that into your own life immediately. And all you gotta do is just basically read the heading of the chapter. You've already, you've already read the chapter, read the book. The heading Alone will bring you right back. The chapter title will bring it right back to that content and it'll put you right back on track. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:47:18 And the book, the book is entitled, Go Build an Epic Life All on your own. <laugh>, it's all about
Speaker 2 00:47:25 Xl. I just introduced you, by the way, Jeremy Cho is he, he trains like soupon and you know, PK Soan. Love it Richard, you know, please tell me, you know, PK Suan is please,
Speaker 1 00:47:34 I I do not. I
Speaker 2 00:47:35 Do know if you were all, if we were all for, I'm never gonna wear this again. I can go get my Patrick Wa Canadians 93 Allstar game jersey. I can go get that. Love it upstairs. Am I more Canadian than you, Rich? Oh, by the way, here's an interesting thing. So there's a fundamental difference between the US and Canada. A fun. So US is life, liberty in the pursuit of happiness in Canada is peace order and good government. So that's the slogans. So, but you two are actually both American life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, even though you're Canadian. And then most Americans are actually Canadian peace order and good government.
Speaker 1 00:48:14 Isn't that, that is a fascinating observation.
Speaker 2 00:48:17 Yeah, we're Americans, there's a lot of Americans all over the world. And then most people are Canadian <laugh>, peace order and good government <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:48:24 Justin has always, always, always, always a pleasure to have you on the show and to know you is an honor and we just, we're so grateful for you and our listeners and viewers are undoubtedly going to gobble up this episode as one of one of our fan favorites. And, uh, we'll include, uh, links of course in the show notes, uh, access, uh, a hard copy and audio copy I thing of e epic life. All of our viewers and listeners, get your hands on that as soon as you can. You, you'll be glad you did. We promise you. And if you're on the YouTubes, you'll see the playlist that's just shown up and we would encourage you, click through to the next video, continue your journey of, of learning, continue your journey of taking in all these amazing guests like Justin that we bring onto the show. Justin, you're awesome. Thanks for being you,
Speaker 2 00:49:12 You know, next time one, this was amazing. Two, next time well, we'll get some Tim bits and then I'll get a double double and then you and I can have like a, we can all have a donut, Tim Bits easily contest and we'll see where our, you know, compulsive dopamine nation addiction things, where it goes when you're about 15 Tim bits and three double doubles into an interview. That'll be tremendous.
Speaker 1 00:49:34 It'll be interesting to see all of our faces, our cheeks looking like chip bunks as we shove how many timbits we can shove in there?
Speaker 2 00:49:39 Oh, come on. Are you impressed that I know Tim Bits in a double, When I go into a Tim, the closest Tim Hortons to me is in Lito, Ohio. That's four hours from here, but I do go there sometimes and I will order a double duff
Speaker 1 00:49:54 <laugh>. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:49:55 I'll
Speaker 1 00:49:55 Do really, you'll go all that distance for Well,
Speaker 2 00:49:58 Yeah, I was gonna, we have in-laws in Cleveland, so it's not, but No, no, I won't try <laugh>. That'd be funny if I did that. But I really appreciate the time. This is a tremendous interview.
Speaker 1 00:50:08 Thanks Justin. Thanks Justin. Stay awesome. Thanks.
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